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[flagged] Repatriate the gold': German economists advise withdrawal from US vaults (theguardian.com)
46 points by vinni2 3 hours ago | hide | past | favorite | 29 comments




Wait, I've watched this episode before. The US owed France large amount of gold (the legal mechanism for this was called "the dollar"). France asked to redeem their dollars for gold, and the US said "nah, we're keeping it, enjoy your dollars".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock#American_policy_re...


That was the end of the US dollar convertibility to gold. This, unless I'm mistaken is actual French property held in US vaults.

The fear in non-US nations is that the US will not respect the agreements and refuse to hand over the gold if requested. Given all the Trump admin is doing, I don't think it's unjustified

Or given every past refusal. Trump's a next level on top of that. A nice layer of shit icing

Tangentially related to the above Wikipedia article: https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

Or move it to Canada. One of the advantages of the US was that it was far from Europe and safe in case of invasion or war. The US clearly cant be trusted anymore , but Canada can, and it also across the atlantic.

Canada wouldn't be able to defend from an invasion

An invasion from who? I agree with you that Canada couldn't defend against an invasion from the US, but I also don't think that any country without nuclear weapons could defend against an invasion from the US. But I think that Canada could probably defend itself from an invasion from most other countries—the Canadian military is generally competent, and NATO and NORAD would almost certainly offer assistance.

Even then, who would want to invade Canada? Despite the recent political blustering, it seems incredibly unlikely that the US would invade Canada, and the only other plausible invader that I can think of right now is Russia, but their military isn't doing very well at all right now.


If the threat model is "the US goes rogue and does crazy stuff", Canada is a prime risk of suffering from such madness, so moving your resources there doesn't really change anything.

Agreed, but I'd argue that there's a big difference between the US making it difficult to access gold reserves stored there and invading/blockading Canada to the point where gold reserves stored there are unusable. The first seems unlikely but possible, while the second seems almost unimaginable, and even if the second does happen, I'd be more concerned about access to food/medicine than access to gold reserves.

(Although I'm Canadian, so this may perhaps just be wishful thinking on my part)


And dont give trump any more reasons.

The Netherlands has spread it's gold in London, Canada and New York.

This policy came from the late 1930s when secretly the government knew that Germany was likely going to invade.



Is there any point to a country having gold reserves? What is it being kept for? (Genuine questions, looking for factual answers)

Stores of value are, for the most part, societal constructs. Anything has value as long as there is somebody willing to exchange something of theirs for it. That's also what makes value intangible as there is a built-in subjectivity in this.

Gold falls into the category "has always had value, so it will always have value" type of thoughts. And that's just what gives it value, out confidence that we can exchange it for something when you need it.


It's almost the definition of a store of value. If it was actually useful it's called a strategic reserve, like for oil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_reserve

> A strategic reserve can be ... A commodity, such as intervention stocks of food or petrol ...

> Examples of commodity reserves: Global strategic petroleum reserves ... Gold reserve


Central banks do a lot of things, including buying and selling currency with foreign partners. If you’re trading using weak or unstable currencies, gold may be a useful alternative.

Intangible financial systems rest (simplistically speaking) on fundamental concepts of trust and reliability (aka what I expect to happen will happen).

Once these factors start to breakdown, all these intangible forms of holding wealth loose value. Gold remains as a significant reliable long term store of value.

Hence it’s worth maintaining by a nation.


It can be used as a collateral for loans, last resort for currency buybacks, emergency resource in times of war... Mostly it's a reputational tool to inspire faith in the country's creditworthiness.

Ask Russia, they are making bank on it. Especially with the rubble not being worth much.

Are they? I would have thought that Russia's oil exports to countries that are ignoring/bypassing sanctions are far more valuable to them.

Sell. It's the cheapest option vs. moving (high risk). $164 billions would make a nice investment into infrastructure without touching their "Sondervermögen".

Selling that amount of gold would crash the price, devaluing their other reserves too.

What they have to do is move, but quietly, without announcing it.


Not all at once, obviously.

Gold is moved around the world all the time

Yet it's costly -- albeit they might get special conditions.

I hold Xetra Gold (tax free gains after 12mon). Some argue it's safe, because it can be delivered to the relationship bank: it's not really, it's uneconomical, at least for average Joe (~3% up to ~20% of value, heavily depending on denomination).


lol I doubt the US will honor this agreement.

It is a profoundly untrustworthy country.


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