I don't think anyone is "mincing up unborn babies". I think you might misunderstand how abortions work in practice, but anyways.
> If you want control over your body, exercise that control to not get pregnant in the first place.
So you are of the opinion that if someone "screwed up" something, essentially made a mistake, they should have no options to correct that mistake?
What about if someone else made them pregnant without their consent? Would bodily autonomy become more important in your mind then, or same "don't get pregnant in the first place" apply, even if it's outside of their control?
> Start with the infamous account from the practitioner who boasted of her novel technique that begins with cutting the baby's vocal cords to muffle its screams
You mean the woman who lost their medical license after clearly not understanding how abortions work?
> It also says that Torres has made “public statements related to the practice of medicine which violate the high standards of honesty, diligence, prudence, and ethical integrity demanded from physicians licensed to practice in Alabama.” - https://cbn.com/news/us/abortionist-who-gloated-about-cuttin...
> I think we would be better off if people experienced the consequences of their actions
I think so too, but not everything is under your control, like pregnancy. And sometimes you try to do everything you can in terms of preventing pregnancy, yet it happens anyways, is it really compassionate to punish people who made mistakes? As a Christian (maybe you're atheist), I just cannot comprehend the lack of compassion for people and forcing them to have a unintentional pregnancy.
> Nobody is forcing anyone to have an unintentional pregnancy. What an unusual and manipulative way to frame the consequences of one's actions.
I'm not sure where you live, but most places on earth have a really shit situation wherever humans live, which is called involuntary sexual intercourse, if you haven't heard about it before, I guess consider yourself lucky. For the rest of the people who do experience that though, I feel a lot of compassion, and whatever they need and want to do to heal from that sort of trauma, should be OK, as long as they're not hurting other humans.
> Humanity was just fine for millennia
You also don't seem to grasp the long history of abortion, probably longer than even written history which is just 5000 years.
> By making abortions accessible, you make abortions necessary
Accessible or not, abortions are sometimes necessary, and sometimes the most compassionate route. If you were Christian, you might have understood, so I hope whatever degeneracy your chosen religion seems to have forced upon you, eventually lets up so you too can start to see compassion against your fellow human beings.
1. Don't pretend that rape is the reason in any significant proportion of abortions. Anyway, as I said earlier, I support abortion in such cases. This is not what we're discussing.
2. Don't pretend that historic abortion practices were anywhere close in scale and shamelessness to the very proud and public industrial slaughter that we see today. As I said earlier, if abortions came with appropriate repercussions to ensure it won't be necessary again (lifestyle counselling, community obligations, celibacy commitment or sterilisation, social restrictions, etc) then it would be far less common and far more acceptable, in my view.
3. If you actually want to convince anyone, you need to be careful with the 'compassion' angle. Assume the other person is not evil. I know it's hard, I'm struggling too (I'm sure you can see the obvious angle: someone claiming to be compassionate while facilitating the proliferation and ease of the practice of mincing up unborn babies, leaving millions of young women with terrible stains on their souls). It's not helpful.
