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Launch HN: Fable (YC W21) – Collaborate on product specs, sync to issue trackers
58 points by addorai on Jan 18, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 21 comments
Hi HN. Aravindh and Alex here, co-founders of Fable (https://www.tryfable.com). Fable allows product teams to collaborate on product specs, which it automatically syncs to issue trackers like Jira and Linear. Here's a demo video: https://www.loom.com/share/a34eebc263f949db90f2e17aa7ffe104

Product teams painstakingly craft their product specs to ensure they’re building the right thing. Unfortunately, the pace of modern product development is so fast that the minute a product spec is written, it’s no longer relevant. People waste time copy/pasting this content into issue trackers, because the engineers need tickets to work on. Worse yet, these stale artifacts result in bad decisions and ultimately the wrong product going out the door.

Alex and I have been PMs at companies of varying sizes and industries—from Microsoft to Budweiser to Zocdoc. This idea came to mind when I was a PM at TpT (Teachers Pay Teachers). I was wasting hours copy/pasting from my spec into Jira, time that I could have spent doing more valuable things like talking to users. Then after creating those Jira tickets, I’d get the link and paste it back in the spec. Problem was that I didn’t have time to keep updating the spec, which is the only place that my teammates on marketing and sales looked at. They didn’t want to go into Jira.

Fable gives product teams a place to collaboratively write their specs. What’s unique is that once the spec is written, teams can push a button to sync the content with their issue tracker (currently Jira and Linear are supported but we’re adding more). It’s a two-way sync—meaning if content changes in the issue tracker, it comes back to Fable and vice versa. You can start writing your spec in Fable, push a button to sync with the issue tracker, and maintain accuracy even as the content changes in the issue tracker.

Other document editors allow users to embed a Jira or Linear ticket, but it’s not a two-way sync. Building two-way sync was an engineering challenge since we had to account for offline issues, errors, etc that could cause conflicts between the two versions. We’ve designed our conflict resolution engine to be smart about handling these scenarios, and when we can’t come to a decision on what the source of truth is, we prompt the user to select one.

We’ve built Fable from the ground up for product teams, emphasizing ease of use (no complicated setup or learning curve) and speed (you don’t have to wait a few seconds every time you want to edit a doc). The foundation is a powerful document editor built on Prosemirror. It allows users to dynamically embed content from sources including Figma, Google Drive, and Airtable.

Fable makes product definition a more collaborative process, involving teammates all the way from ideation to creating tickets on issue trackers, and letting everyone keep track of what is being built and its status. No more sales and marketing people going into the issue tracker and throwing their hands up because they don’t know how to parse through all the tickets. Later, the Fable doc serves as a record of what was built, so teams can look back later to understand the thought behind live features.

We charge per “maker”, meaning people who are actively creating content. This tends to the product manager, and sometimes also the designer and engineering manager. Anyone who just wants to view and comment on the doc (marketing, sales, etc) gets access for free.

We’re looking forward to feedback from the community!



> Product teams painstakingly craft their product specs to ensure they're building the right thing. Unfortunately, the pace of modern product development is so fast that the minute a product spec is written, it’s no longer relevant.

I think the missing insight is that while the final outcome is no longer relevant, the process of reaching the outcome is critical! When I am trying to understand a feature, I find myself spending most my time in the version history of Google Docs (something that team has treated as a secondary feature) – learning how the feature team's collective understanding has evolved. I think Decisions in Fable is a step closer, but not far enough.

One thing I would love to see is product spec editing / collaboration focused around version history. The real "work" of building product specs is building shared context between PM, Eng, UX through evolution of the requirements. However unlike devs who can see the diff of a code file, PM rarely "show their work" – and it makes it hard for everyone to see how the final requirements were reached. I still haven't seen any PM tool with this paradigm in mind.


This is a great point. It's particularly useful to have that context into how the thinking evolved when you're looking back at a feature built months or years ago, to help you avoid doing something that was skipped in good reason OR make the same mistakes again.

We agree our decision feed is just step one to get there, we're also exploring other ways to show the evolution of work.


(Not trying to discourage you)

For those companies that have sufficiently consumed the Atlassian Kool-Aid, what differentiates this product from just using Confluence? Confluence has pretty robust widgets/embedding options, plus there's the plugin ecosystem to unlock embedding external things like designs/etc. And obviously it easily connects to jira for tickets.


Interestingly, Confluence doesn't have a 2 way sync with Jira. You can embed Jira tickets but you can't push content from Confluence to Jira and automatically create tickets.

Aside from that, we've designed Fable to be customized for the product team workflow - with features like the decision feed, zippy content editing, etc.

We also work with Linear, which has a fast growing user base


You can push content from Confluence into Jira, it's been around for years [1] but this functionality does need to improve. At the same time, Atlassian has also has created Jira Product Discovery which is currently in closed beta [2]

1 https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/use-jira-applications-a...

2 https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/product-discovery/wa...


Sorry, I should have been more clear. In Confluence you can highlight content and create a ticket - it just prefills the title of the ticket to be the highlighted content. You still have to fill in the description. Then after pushing it to Jira there's no ongoing sync.

Fable has a true push + sync, where the live content in the editor is continuously sync'ed with Jira. This means you can keep editing product requirements in the place that your whole team lives (marketing, design, sales, of course eng) and not worry about tickets going stale


This looks pretty cool. What makes me reluctant to try this is tool fatigue. We're already using Linear, Notion, Loom, Figma, Slack, Github, Graphite, etc... Something that integrates with our existing tools rather than replacing them is what I'd most like to see. Linear integration is great, but it feels incomplete for our existing flow without integration with Notion.

On a tangential note: the use of the term "maker" confused me a bit. I would usually not consider PMs to fall under that label.


Looks interesting, well done for launching and good luck.

One question - not as a potential customer but as just another founder - how are you offering 24 hour a day support? Do you have a remote team that just naturally covers enough time zones or have you specially hired people or a service for this? It looks really impressive for a new product to launch with 24 hour support! I’d love to do this with my services but not a big enough team yet...


Our team is across several time zones and we're all well versed in the product of course :)


The decisions feature here feels a lot like Threads (https://threads.com/) and the document feature like Notion (though I see the use of ProseMirror).

I can’t necessarily say that I understand the value of two way syncing the content in Fable doc into the ticket body (rather than simply linking to a Notion doc in the page of a Linear/Jira ticket, which I’ve seen commonly done). That way the entire team can see a spec, collaboratively edit it and engineers just click the link to go across.

I could also very much see Linear adding a Notion integration or support, which would further simplify that process. Notion also added the reverse direction for Jira recently too, so it’s super easy to embed live ticket information on Notion now!

Would love to understand that use case a little better!


The workflow that many teams use (myself included) is to iterate on detailed requirements in a doc, often in a table. They do this so that they can iterate on them in a more collaborative place vs Jira/Linear. It's also more accessible to the broader team (sales, design, marketing, etc).

Then after aligning they copy + paste those requirements into the issue tracker. They often also include a link back to the doc. But then you have two places that show the same requirements, one for eng and one for others and they almost always get out of sync. Plus it's a bit annoying for eng to have to parse thru the spec to map requirements for a specific ticket.

This is the workflow we're solving for!

As for Linear + Notion or Jira integration, it's entirely possible they add it but our approach is to focus on a few product team focused integrations and go deep on them


This feels like the missing tool in our remote team workflow. I love that you recognize there is a need for proper syncable docs that help manage project luck-off/monitoring processes.

Can you share a bit about your upcoming prioritized integrations?


Thanks! We're exploring additional integrations with tools like Asana, ClickUp, and also Github to track features thru code complete.


Fable is the well known F# to JavaScript compiler. It's also the name of a studio game and is a very common word associated with story telling.

I'm curious. Why did you choose this name for your product? It will be an SEO fight trying to push this keyword association to your product up the Google rankings.


Congrats on the launch!

Building the conflict resolution engine sounds like a fun challenge.


Haha yes, it was quite the challenge! Most of the time it just works, but in rare situations we'll ask the user to pick b/w the Fable version and the version on their issue tracker.


Congratulations! The product looks good.

Just a quick tech question here: Why did you opt for ProseMirror over Slatejs?


Thanks! We forked this version of ProseMirror built by the Outline team which was the closest to what we wanted for our product

https://github.com/outline/rich-markdown-editor


Looks cool. What do you differently to productboard?


Productboard does a great job helping prioritize features based on customer feedback. Fable comes in when you want to define how that feature should work. We let teams collaborate on rich product specs for those features, then sync it over to issue trackers. We also have a decision feed that integrates with Slack and doc comments to make sure decisions made during product development aren't lost.

We have companies that use ProductBoard + Fable in conjunction.


Congratulations on the launch! Honestly, building something faster than Jira might be the magic feature!




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